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from a distance. let me go to jim cavanaugh. thank you for joining us, as always. atf agents involved going in with protective vests on already. we've seen something of the operation eye visible here. >> chris, i think probably what happened -- we don't know. we'll find out in the next half hour or so certainly -- but when the superintendent of state police lifted the order to stay in your house, all the residents came out of their house and naturally you're cooped up, may not want to walk to the grocery store but you're going to come out in your driveway, garage, and likely dzhokhar was laying somewhere in the bushes, in the weeds, behind the car, in the back of a pickup truck and he was spotted. so, you know, then the call went to 911 -- >> i see what you mean. >> we need to go right now to whdh. >> i just saw in the center here them take a robot and put it in the back of a bomb squad vehicle. maybe they are transported it closer to that location. >> i'm being held back. i am about a block behind the location. you guys don't have it yet but we were rolling on our camera here when th
night and this morning is they are making it up as they go. i agree with jim. now that we have the lead individual, the older brother dead, the younger one has to make decisions. as an fbi hostage negotiator, this is the type of guy we would like to talk to. we contain him and isolate him from contact with the outside world and we negotiate and we help him identify reasons to live. that's what fbi negotiators and atf will be trying to do. if they can get him located in one place, time is somewhat on our side. it's unprecedented to shut a city down like this. it sets a terrible example for people in the future, but right now this is what we have to deal with. >> when i heard about the 7-11 and you hear about them with the mit police officer, why would you dru attention to yourself? they had to know that they were going to be pursued. is that tied to the fact and when i originally saw that video yesterday that was released and taken from the department store camera, they looked calm. they looked like anybody. they almost looked confident-cocky to me. there is the video to me. they are wal
. people say all the time, you look sort of like that guy, like that guy. let's go to jim cavanaugh right now. maybe i think like a cop but i'm thinking monday night they could have had plane tickets to be out of the country, middle east, driven to the canadian border, been to new york by monday at midnight. there's so many possibilities of where they've gone. what does it tell you that the fbi gave up trying to find them on their own? >> they made the right decision, the task force did to release them. you always want to be able to identify them yourself because then you can put them under surveillance, see their behavior, and make their move when you want to. that's what we all prefer in law enforcement. in law enforcement, we don't want to tell anybody anything. that's not the way it can work. and you're exactly right. mike isikoff, who i think is always right, you're exactly right about coming and going. look, if these were foreign nationals, they could have come in to watch the marathon or even if they were domestic perpetrators, they could have come in to watch the marathon for two,
to work with them before on cases. between the fbi and atf there's probably no better lab. as jim will tell you, when a bomb goes off, it may get blown to bits, but those are bits that we can recover. that his agency and the fbi can put together. they can understand the device. and perhaps find a signature aspect to that. so we've got a forensic investigation that's going on as far as the bomb and where it went off and what it was composed of and who may have built it. we also have what you just talked about, chris, that photographic evidence. as you and i talked yesterday, i guarantee you yesterday and today there are photographs of the individual or individuals who placed those devices. we just have to separate the weak from the -- in this case the killers from the crowd and we'll know who did that. >> let me go over to mr. cavanaugh. james, it seems to me a picture dh can be blown up and stud did, what more would you want actually than someone dropping the black bag and walking away from the bomb site? >> chris, i've worked many cases over the years with no pictures at all. so
. let's bring in retired atf special agent in charge, nbc news analyst jim cavanaugh. jim, it's, it's a changing situation. but certainly it is a dramatic scene. it almost looks like a war zone, streets empty, we don't know how many officers are on the scene. but the tension seems to be remarkably high. there's some thought that perhaps dzhokah tsarnaev is holed up and is being negotiated with at this point. >> alex, that's exactly right. you know when you're in command of a situation like this, i always like to break it down to the main things that handle the main crisis points and address those. and there's three interlocking rings here that are affecting boston and the citizens. and that's what the commanders have got to focus on. one is the standoff with dzhokhar, we can talk about how that interlocks and what's going on there. the second is, the placement of another pressure cooker device in the city that they've located. and the question of are there more. and then the third interlocking circle is, whether or not there's these two accomplices, as pete williams described and ma
, live in boston and jim cavanaugh, former atf special agent who led the investigations in to the atlanta olympic bombing and don clark, former agent in charge in houston. michael, let me go to you first. what jumps out at you from the fbi complaint filed today? >> reporter: well, actually, the passage describing the carjacking, a rather chilling account from the victim in which he was -- in which he describes being in his car on a road in cambridge, one of the tsarnaev brothers, the affidavit is not clear which one, knocks on the window, he rolls down the window, that tsarnaev opens the door, gets in, brand dishes his gun, says did you hear about the boston explosion and then adds, i did that. a boast that he was the bomber and then shows him his gun, taking out the magazine, shows the bullet in it, puts the magazine back in and says, i'm serious. he then orders the carjacker to drive him to an atm machine, also to pick up his brother, then take over the car and eventually the car -- the victim is able to escape but that boast, i did that, was one of the more powerful elements in the com
's turn back to the investigation and talk to jim walsh, an international security and terrorism expert at m.i.t. let's talk about law enforcement. what are they looking for now? how do they go about this investigation? take us through some of those steps? and within that, we have to start forming some theories. from what we know already, do you think that it is maybe an individual or probably a group and how do you go about figuring out, is this a foreign group or individual, or americans? >> yeah. those are big questions and there are a lot of them. let me start in the beginning and say in terms of the phase of the investigation, i think there are different parts and different parts of the government are handling different parts of the investigation. so obviously, the most important and immediate thing are those events and evidence that are near the attack. that are approximate to the attack. that includes the crime scene. that includes the material used in the bomb and the process of reconstructing what that bomb looked like. it is designed, the materials it used. the nature of the t
and come along with him. in a relationship like this, and jim can talk about the d.c. sniper, but you usually have an older or dominant individual and a younger one who's a follower. that could very well be the case with these two brothers also. >> clint, they're more likely to be able to i guess the person who's trying to do the influence can do so if they're in more of a vacuum. not being reached out to by other family members. they were living in a very isolated manner on their own. >> what bothers me is they come to this country as refugees. they claim that status. and then turn and ause that against us. it's always that the very best nature, the very best that's in us, in the united states, is turned around and used, weapon, against us, by those who would do us harm. >> it's interesting, you talk about that. the family was granted legal permanent residence march of 2007, became naturalized citi n citizens on the anniversary of 9/11 just last year. there certainly seems to be irony in that. with regard to the potential bombs, explosive devices that are planted around boston, is t
know, it's logical to think that this 19-year-old may have been hit, too. so i agree with jim, he could have crawled under some place and laying there bleeding out. he could be holding a gun to someone's head and they wouldn't have answered the door. there's a lot of scenarios. the best case scenario is that we would have found him holed up someplace in that 20-block area. realize, not only did they have s.w.a.t. agents, everybody else, bomb dogs out there, they had search dogs out there, they had a lot of resources and this guy, 19 years old, on the run and in an environment he doesn't know with just the shoes on his feet maybe has been able to elude. now, that's probably very lucky on his part but law enforcement sitting there right now with their fingers crossed hoping he's still in the area because they may not know where to look next, al. >> that's my point, james. lucky for him maybe. hopefully he doesn't have that luck. but scary for others. i mean, i'm an early riser. i wake up early this morning, 5:00 a.m., in the middle of the night both of them have been caught, one's dead, t
, they may have done it there or may have had a region, a quantum leap there, as jim was talking about, where will you develop those bomb-making skills? you don't go to m.i.t. to learn,build pressure cooker bombs, do you go to the caucuses, do you go to that area of the world where these devices have been used successfully to attack humanity for year upon year upon year. so i think that six-month period, the russians help us in that we may be able to identify who he was working with and gone to perhaps some type of terroristic training, bomb making school. realize the two brothers set some place. they built multiple pressure cooker bombs, built these hand-held devices. they did a lot. we have had fwhoermts u.s. try to blow their underwear up, try to blow their shoes up, try to blow their car up and they weren't successful, thank god. >> you think this goes beyond what they could pick up on the internet? >> i do i do. i think somebody sitting over their shoulder neath needed to be done. i don't think it was looking a this the seven or eight-page manual you could pull out of inspiration the al
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